Comments on: From Critical Mass to Critical Manners http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/blog/2009/07/from-critical-mass-to-critical-manners/ a dash of impossibility makes for more fun Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:58:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luke http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/blog/2009/07/from-critical-mass-to-critical-manners/comment-page-1/#comment-73411 Luke Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:35:13 +0000 http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/?p=552#comment-73411 Hey, I had another idea for an experiment between Mass & Manners: https://www.socialtext.net/lukec/index.cgi?critical_bikesense Hey, I had another idea for an experiment between Mass & Manners: https://www.socialtext.net/lukec/index.cgi?critical_bikesense

]]> By: Michael http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/blog/2009/07/from-critical-mass-to-critical-manners/comment-page-1/#comment-67263 Michael Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:12:20 +0000 http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/?p=552#comment-67263 As the intend of Critical Manners seems to be to ride according to all the rules I have to wonder about this part: 183(2) A person operating a cycle (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway, So what will happen? Will they string out 1000+ riders, squeezing as far to the side of a lane to let cars pass? What happens at traffic lights? Instead of having 10 bikes bunch up in the space of an SUV you now have a few hundred bikes all lined up, also bunched to the side? This isn't going to be a group ride in the least, they will end up with four or five bikes riding behind each other as they make it through the intersection, how the cops plan on keeping track of them (or helping along) is a bit beyond me, does every cyclist get their own police escort? It'll be interesting to watch this. As the intend of Critical Manners seems to be to ride according to all the rules I have to wonder about this part:

183(2) A person operating a cycle
(d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway,

So what will happen? Will they string out 1000+ riders, squeezing as far to the side of a lane to let cars pass?

What happens at traffic lights? Instead of having 10 bikes bunch up in the space of an SUV you now have a few hundred bikes all lined up, also bunched to the side?

This isn’t going to be a group ride in the least, they will end up with four or five bikes riding behind each other as they make it through the intersection, how the cops plan on keeping track of them (or helping along) is a bit beyond me, does every cyclist get their own police escort?

It’ll be interesting to watch this.

]]> By: Todd Sieling http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/blog/2009/07/from-critical-mass-to-critical-manners/comment-page-1/#comment-67176 Todd Sieling Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:00:31 +0000 http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/?p=552#comment-67176 Thanks for posting this, and for pointing to the Critical Manners ride; it's an idea long overdue. The single thing that's kept me away from Critical Mass rides is the antagonism of drivers. This picture from yesterday's ride sums it up for me: http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/friday-mass-gets-critical-photo-02 Cyclists in CM rides can't demand to be treated as equal rights traffic when they won't behave as traffic, and while the events have built a strong presence and a feeling of safety in numbers for cyclists, they've taken as many or more steps backward by creating anger, frustration and prejudice in the minds of drivers. I'd go as far to say that Critical Mass riders who make a point of antagonizing vehicle traffic never truly want respect and fair treatment on the roads because it would take away the justification for venting their anger at vehicles and their drivers. Now we see Critical Manners, and I'd love to see this idea take off. I'll be out for the August 14th ride to support it in a way I never could bring myself to do for Critical Mass. Thanks for posting this, and for pointing to the Critical Manners ride; it’s an idea long overdue. The single thing that’s kept me away from Critical Mass rides is the antagonism of drivers. This picture from yesterday’s ride sums it up for me: http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/friday-mass-gets-critical-photo-02

Cyclists in CM rides can’t demand to be treated as equal rights traffic when they won’t behave as traffic, and while the events have built a strong presence and a feeling of safety in numbers for cyclists, they’ve taken as many or more steps backward by creating anger, frustration and prejudice in the minds of drivers. I’d go as far to say that Critical Mass riders who make a point of antagonizing vehicle traffic never truly want respect and fair treatment on the roads because it would take away the justification for venting their anger at vehicles and their drivers.

Now we see Critical Manners, and I’d love to see this idea take off. I’ll be out for the August 14th ride to support it in a way I never could bring myself to do for Critical Mass.

]]> By: Jackie W http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/blog/2009/07/from-critical-mass-to-critical-manners/comment-page-1/#comment-67170 Jackie W Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:36:28 +0000 http://www.countablyinfinite.ca/?p=552#comment-67170 Great post, Karen. My head is also spinning with Critical Mass debates. But despite the clear hatred of the event expressed by those I know and love (my dad being one of them), I went on the ride today anyway and it. Was. Awesome. People made way for a pair of fire trucks near Main and Broadway and thanked cars for waiting. Of course there were also the shirtless dudes shouting loud profanities at all and sundry from their balcony that conveniently overlooked the Granville Bridge, but there was an equal measure of supportive drivers, honking horns and waving and cheering. I like the idea of Critical Manners, too. Thanks for posting about it! Great post, Karen. My head is also spinning with Critical Mass debates. But despite the clear hatred of the event expressed by those I know and love (my dad being one of them), I went on the ride today anyway and it. Was. Awesome. People made way for a pair of fire trucks near Main and Broadway and thanked cars for waiting. Of course there were also the shirtless dudes shouting loud profanities at all and sundry from their balcony that conveniently overlooked the Granville Bridge, but there was an equal measure of supportive drivers, honking horns and waving and cheering. I like the idea of Critical Manners, too. Thanks for posting about it!

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